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So the
first level, the positive pole would be entry and the negative pole would be -
we want to say force, but what we mean by this is being urged into something. So entry would be stepping into it
willingly. And force would be being pushed, so there is some resistance.
For the
second level, the positive pole would be immersion and the negative pole would
be confusion. The positive pole being a
state of willing focus. The negative pole being feeling bombarded with
input, yet having difficulty making any sense of it
For the
third level, the positive pole would be movement and the negative pole
resistance. You can see a trend here where all the positive poles would
be focused on allowing things to happen, and the negative poles coming from a
sense of resistance.
We can
digress here for a moment and tell you that it has been said before that only
about half of people quote “successfully” move through the fourth internal monad,
in terms of moving through it in the positive pole, to where they are fully
manifested and have divested themselves of anything they no longer wish to
carry through with them, energetically from the past. So now, what is the
percentage of people successfully moving through the fifth internal monad?
And this applies to all, not necessarily everyone who has successfully
negotiated a prior monad. So there is a lot of fluidity among the monads. There is not necessarily a progression where
you must do the first step before entering the next step. Everyone will dip their toe in all the monads
throughout a lifetime. You may spend more than one lifetime, completing
quote “successfully” all of them. So you
may be presented with some issues that you are carrying forth from a prior
lifetime now, which feels like there's a lot of extra on your plate. Some
of you are undergoing this process now. So, the percentage of people that successfully
navigate the fifth internal monad would be about 60%. And by successfully again, we mean in all of the
positive poles, being fully simulated and now moving that energy outward in
order to interact with others differently and to assist them with their own
processes.
The
positive pole of the fourth level of the fifth internal monad would be
cohesion, and the negative pole we would call difficulty.
The
positive pole of the fifth level we would call retreat with the negative pole
being stagnation.
The
positive pole of the sixth level of the fifth internal monad we would call
celebration. The negative pole being disintegration
The
positive pole of the seventh level - we are having difficulty finding a
specific word for this, but it is a sense of soaring or flying. (Suggestions are made) We like that,
elation. The negative pole being presence – simply being there without
that soaring feeling.
So again,
we realize there are difficulties assigning terms to some of these words and we
regret that (this) specific information could come better through a different channel.
So you may ask that question again of us through someone else and receive some
different information that may be easier to attach energy to, you see. The energy is still there, the words, not so
much. Does that answer sufficiently
your question?
So,
before we except another question, we would like to tell you something more
about this fifth internal monad process. We feel like we've been very,
uh, we have not touched into it deeply enough in terms of presenting our
understanding of this process. So, we've
talked about it as overall, what is accomplished is a stronger sense of
self and the letting go of other’s perceptions about you, and how a lot of this
occurs in conjunction with retirement and letting go of occupation. Now, one thing that can happen during this
process is that someone will abruptly decide to end a job or to change
jobs. There can be a lot of changes outwardly manifested through this
process. There can be a lot of projects completed through this
process. There is a sense of beginning and of completion; we would say a
strong sense of completion, through the fifth internal monad. Another thing that tends to happen is that
relationships with others will change to a great degree. You have likely
seen and experienced how relationships change within the context of the fourth
internal monad. The changes that would occur then with the fifth internal
monad are mostly in relation to how you view and are viewed by the rest of the
world at large, so it won't be as much in terms of your intimate relationships,
although that can be a factor. You will
tend to be more affected by, again, how others see you. And by moving through the fifth internal
monad completely in the positive poles, you will again be this - appear as this
centered, confident person, who loses so much of the difficulties with body
awareness, and has a sense of position within the world at large. So
there ends up being this outward focus - this can manifest in terms of service
to society, it can manifest as providing role models for others. However,
again, there are difficulties with this, and this is typically a societal and
cultural thing where this type of confidence and this type of role model is not
as evaluated in today's society as are the role models and energy of younger
folks. So for someone who is of retirement age, who is moving into this
space of confidence, suddenly, they are left with nothing to attach it to,
because there is less value attributed to this kind of inner awareness than there
is of the struggles of younger people who are still focusing so hard on
themselves and also on the rest of the world. Now, what
can we do about this? What can you do about this? Some of you are
engaged in this process, some of you will be relatively soon. How will
things look for you in terms of your interaction with society, your interaction
with yourself? And how easy will it be
for you to navigate this fifth internal monad transition? The biggest
suggestion that we can give to all of you now who are here, in terms of your
success, your ease of transition, would be, if you can, to hold within yourself
a sense of connection to the earth only, and to drop your awareness, so much,
of the world around you. If you're connected to the earth, to your home,
to this one constant in your lives, then there is less need to interact
energetically with those around you. That is not to say that you will not
continue to have interactions, for you will, but if your connection is to the
earth through this process, then you will be more connected to yourself, and
you will have an easier time letting go of some of the perceptions that others
might have about you as you move through this process. Your bodies are
changing. Your awareness is changing. Your focus is changing in terms of how you want to interact with the world. So the one constant then is the earth, is this
wonderful huge energy source that is always there for you.
Are there
other questions?
Matthew: It seems to me that how you describe the fifth
internal monad – of releasing how you view the world, how the world views you
and connecting to yourself on a deeper level – shows a lot of similarities to
the fourth, which is manifesting who you are. I was wondering if you could expand on the differences and the similarities
between the fourth and the fifth. Is it
a matter of degree? Because it seems
like in both of them, you’re becoming more of who you are.
If you
would like to look at all the internal monads, you will see that all of them
are nothing but manifesting different phases of who you are. At
birth, you’re in a body. You have to learn a detachment to your body –
that’s a part of who you are. The second
internal monad is separation from those who surround you and nurture you.
The third internal monad is a further separation. The fourth internal monad is a separation
energetically, not so much physically, again leaving you to manifest more of
who you are. And each time you are
changing your perception as you begin to manifest more of who you are until,
through the seventh internal monad, you are left with nothing but who you are. So those are the similarities
Differences
would simply be in terms of your perception and how you engage the world around
you. The fourth internal monad tends to be relatively inwardly focused - you
are focused backward in time, if you will. You’re bringing childhood
energy to you, and you’re releasing things. The fifth internal monad you’re concerned with
externals and how the world is seeing you. You already know who you are, more, from the fourth internal monad, if
you’ve been able to navigate that, and now you are concerned with how you are
interacting with the rest of the world rather than with just yourself. Again, through each of the internal monads, you
are doing nothing but manifesting more of who you are
Have we answered
your question?
Jan: You’ve talked about navigating the internal
monads - coming through in a positive
manner or negative. And that, for
example, with the fifth internal monad you might make it through with 60% positive? I've
been aware that I’m in the fifth internal monad – starting. Yet I came through the fourth more positive
than negative and yet I find that I am actually still working on some of the
fourth. So, is that a normal life
process? It’s just not a cut off – like
boom, I'm done with the fourth and on to the fifth there’s an overlapping of
the two?
Very much
so. Often when you begin issues that
arise through particular internal monad, it will bring up things from a previous
internal monad and then you’ll decide to go back and possibly address that.
Again, it's not a complete linear process. It is hard to re-create your birth but yet,
many of you have issues that are stemming from your births, and that would be
the first internal monad. So of we have a couple things to say about this. No, it
is not a complete linear progression. You can always choose to go back
and look at something else again or you can choose to stop the progress through
an internal monad, say I’m done with this right now, and then you can pick it
up later if you want or choose not to. You can do it in another lifetime.
And we find that there is a lot of
energy attributed to the whole positive or negative pole. Culturally, you
think of positive as something good, negative as something bad. Well, to us they are simply two parts of a
whole and it is not necessarily good to go through things in the positive mode,
it’s simply more complete, more full that way. But there is no judgment attached to moving
things through negative poles or living in all your negative poles. It’s simply
one choice of how to move through your perception that way. So no, there
is no absolute linear progression. You must not always finish something
before starting something else. There is always room to move back. There
is always room to stop, to choose to not do something, and likely most of you
know someone who never finished something, and they are still living their
lives and doing okay, but you feel that there is maybe a sense of
incompleteness there, and that’s a choice. You can feel it, others can
feel it, and perhaps they can feel it also, but they've made that choice, and
that's all right. Now, can they always
choose 20 years later, perhaps to go back and pick it up again, sure. And
again, typically, moving through a particular internal monad will tend to bring
things up from a prior internal monad. Either that were left undone or
that you would like to look at again for a variety of reasons. Not
necessarily because it was undone, but perhaps it just correlates somehow or it
helps fill in the picture for you now, or helps illuminate something for you.
Perhaps you just like that issue and like looking at it, in which case you'll
provide yourself with opportunities to do so time and again
John
D: It seems to me I’ve been stuck in the
fifth monad and didn’t know it until it was brought up that there was going to
be this session today. I had been
spending a lot of time - a great deal of time with my wife while she was going
through her sixth monad, and I was sort of accompanying her. And I thought I was in the sixth monad. But, looking at my life again – when my
overleaves were channeled about 4 years ago,
Luann: When somebody dies, seemingly abruptly,
unexpectedly, say from a lung contracted illness, or seems to have lived out
their life, how does that effect their progression through the monads? And is the progression through the monads
related to progressing through the soul age levels?
So you're
asking if someone were to exit unexpectedly without working on monads, how that
works? We’re unsure as to your first
question.
Luann: I’m wondering, for instance, my mother died
very unexpectedly. Does that mean she
will have to come back and pick up where she left off? Or, did she quickly run through the last part
of it? That kind of thing.
We would
say that a great many people do address certain elements of say, especially the
sixth internal monad in the time preceding their death. There can be on
an essence level an awareness of what is to come, yes. So specifically
for your mother there were some elements left unfinished that she has intention
of completing in some fashion. Now yes,
this does require being in a body again. And so it will be then for her the
more on her plate that we spoke of earlier. That at some point in that next life, that subsequent life, she will
take on perhaps a little bit more, and it doesn't necessarily have to be done
first to finish up this life, if you will, before moving on to that subsequent
life. So she’ll be born again, she’ll be
a baby, but as that baby will not be necessarily experiencing some of the sixth
internal monad qualities. However, she could choose to do it that way,
and it has been done that way, so there are a variety of ways to accomplish
that. There is no rule in other words, but if something is left undone
from a particular life it will likely be addressed at some future point.
There are certain elements that almost do need to be done and will be looked at
because that is a choice to do so, whether it happens in that life or it
happens in a subsequent life.
Now your
question about does this correlate to the soul ages. The internal monads,
do they correlate to soul age as well? As
was mentioned over here, and as a lot of you are aware, there are correlations
among all the things that can be defined numerically throughout the structure
of the system that we present to you, so yes, there is a loose correlation
between the energies of the soul ages that can be correlated to the energies of
the internal monads.
Luann: I’m sure that my question was clear. I think what I meant was, does a soul need to
progress successfully through a set of internal monads – 1-7 – to reach the
next soul age?
Yes, we
would say this is so. Whether it takes
several lifetimes to do so or a single lifetime to do so depends on upon the
individual. But there are elements of
all the internal monads that are important to assimilate together, at some
point anyway, before moving on to the next soul age level, because each soul
age level brings with it a different set of perceptions. So then you are
again experiencing the progression through the body, if you will, through a
lifetime or several lifetimes. You’re experiencing the progression
through the body throughout a different set of perceptions that comes with each
soul age level. Does that address your question?
Don: Are the monads and levels within the monads
more universal? Do they apply, for
instance, to small organizations, large organizations in their stages of growth
– even to nations and cultures (it takes longer, of course)? Is this a
universal pattern of growth?
That's a
very interesting question. As you are aware,
there is a consciousness to everything - everything around you. Any time there is a group that forms, there
can become, through the energy that is given to that group, a consciousness to that
entity. And there will be in some
fashion, a similar pattern followed through the evolution, if you will of the
consciousness of that particular entity and as there becomes larger and larger
groups or entities, for instance, nations, there is a great deal of energy that
is given to the formation and the manifestation and continuation of those
entities. And that energy is sustained
on a long-term basis, and then becomes something that attracts the energy of
the evolution similar to that you are moving through on the physical planes. So anything with the consciousness like that
on the physical plane will move through at least in a loose fashion, in some
fashion, a similar progression to what you experience in the physical
body. So yes, we would say the short
answer to question is yes.
Don: Would Michael like to venture where the
In terms
of the internal monads? (Don: right
We would
say in between the second and third internal monad at this point. Would you like an example of a nation that is,
say, in the fifth internal monad?
Dave: What about
Ed:
Yes. So it is interesting is it not to think about
all the consciousnesses around you in terms of the same progression that you
follow in your physical bodies. That was
a very interesting question. I'm sure we could speak more on this
Ed: Are there any older than
Small
areas are, not entire nations, because of the more arbitrary division of
political power around regions. But
there are certainly regions that are in the sixth internal monad - very small
ones. Not enough to have a great deal of impact on the energy of the
areas around them. That kind of impact would cause a great deal of
disruption, because it would be the separation of self from the physicalness in
which case that could have a very disruptive effect on all life in that
area. So again there are very small regions that could be considered as
moving through the sixth internal monad. And these would be areas that would be
undergoing a large amount of physical destruction.
Ed: What about Indiginous tribes, native American
tribes?
For the
most part we would say those would be in the fourth internal monad. It is
difficult in some ways to speak of cultures as separate from geographical
regions. So when we spoke of areas being in the sixth internal monad, we
were speaking specifically of certain areas of geography in terms of cultures
that are farther along if you will say than your own. These are cultures that have been tied to the
geography for a long time and have a great deal of stability there. So
the indigenous North American people have been moved around quite a bit and
have lost those ties to the geography and so have had to form new groups and to
start over, almost, if you will.
Mary –
A take off on Luann’s question. If
someone dies suddenly and they’re fairly young, can they process through their
monads in a coma, if they’re in a coma for say a week or two? particular one's question.
There
will certainly be some attention during that experience to certain elements of
the internal monads that have yet to be navigated through. Enough attention then will be paid to it so
that there can be an exit. It is difficult in that state to navigate say
the fourth internal monad, which is a very intellectual, cerebral exercise for
most people, and requires interaction with others. But again there will
be certain elements that will typically be looked at during that time so again,
there can be an exit. And then the subsequent life will have just that much
more added to it in order to a fully navigate in that life. There are those whom you might know, or you
might be one of them who has had a quite easy time of certain internal monads
and a harder time of others. That could
be because you are coming from the prior lifetime where you did all that work
already and there was much less to do this time, or that much more to do this
time from something left undone from before. So if there is an unexpected
death ,an early life death, there will be some addressing of certain elements
of all the internal monads, but typically there will still be things left
undone and addressed at a later time. Sometimes it is possible to address
some of these issues astrally, but the fifth internal monad and certainly the
sixth internal monad issues, because they relate to the physical body quite a
bit, are very difficult to do on an astral level and typically are chosen
to do on a physical level only.
Bill: Going back to what Don brought up – an
interesting question for me. We’re
transitioning young soul to mature soul, as a planet. And after that – x number of years, however
long it takes – we’ll move into an old soul culture. And then after that, do we go through the
equivalent of a seventh internal monad, as a species, as a planet?
This
planet will die eventually. And that will be the sixth and seventh
internal monads. Now, will there be the
consciousness of the human race still attached to the planet at that point?
That choice is not yet been made. It could happen and would likely be
easier for the planet as a whole, Otherwise
it would be difficult to maintain enough energy to easily navigate those
internal monads. But yes, this will be
completed at some point.
Bill: So if the planet stays around, what happens to the old soul culture when it gets to seventh level old soul? What’s happening then? Are the people still incarnate? What if the planet is still here, but us humans, us little bipeds are now all old souls and what are we doing when the planet is still here? Do you know what I’m saying? We’re used to seeing ourselves as – this is our home, we’re incarnating here, and we do that until we individually cycle off the planet. I’m taking it up one level and saying as a species, given enough time, we cycle off the planet. Is there any relationship to monads, and if the planet is still here, where are we? For the
planet as a whole to undergo the sixth internal monad, that would likely create
quite a lot of disruption because there would be a separation from the body, if
you will, of the planet, which will render it inhospitable to life, so we do
not see there are still being humans living on the planet when the planet
undergoes that process. Now, will there still be human consciousness
attached to the planet somehow, perhaps from an astral level? Yes, we do
see that as a possibility, because that would then enable the planet as a whole
to move through those monads. But we do
not see even old souls living on the planet during that process because it
would be - it would be impossible. There would be wild temperature
fluctuations and geographical disturbances and interesting weather patterns
etc. that would make it very difficult to live here and survive.
Bill: All right – I got that. That’s helpful. So we’re distinguishing from the internal
monads of the planet itself – Gaia – the planetary consciousness, and the
internal monads of the sentient beings who live on the planet.
Yes, the
two are connected, but are not identical. You have given so much focus and energy to the earth at this point that
it' most definitely has its own conscious.
Luann: I actually have two questions, and I’ll ask
the first, first. It makes sense to me
that the internal monads that we are speaking of, that animals go through the
same or similar process in their lives.
Yes.
Luann: Ok – you don’t want to elaborate on that?
We may. We would call it a simplified and abbreviated
process. The beginning and ending is the
same. How they approach the middle is not because
they are functioning within a different social structure than you are and a
great deal of what the transition is for the humans in terms of external monads
has a lot to do with the social structure that you’re functioning within. So it has the same result for animals, but it
will look much different. But it's very,
very similar.
Luann: And the add-on to that first question
is: how about other life forms, besides
humans and animals?
Oh
yes. They do as well and again, it would be
affected by their own social structure and their own physical structure and all
the influences that are made. But the
same overall progression is a going to have the same result, and it’s
fine-tuned for each species, basically.
Luann: Thank you. And my second question is – is the process you’re describing, the progression,
is it a descriptive? Are you describing
something that's naturally occurring, because it makes sense naturally? Is it more imposed? Is it a process that’s imposed on us
purposefully and intentionally with the intention of some outcome?
It is a
collective choice of any energy experiencing life on the physical plane to
experience a progression of their perception throughout different phases of
evolution in that physical self for each incarnation. So again, what you
are seeing with the internal monads is a progression of varying perceptions
that occur for you relating to your physical body, because you are on the
physical plane. Does that answer your question?
Luann: I
think what I’m trying to understand is – you’re saying is what you’re
describing is the natural process of us inhabiting a body. It’s not because an outcome needs to occur at
some point later on down the line?
It is
simply a factor of part of your physical experience in each incarnation, because
you're so attached to being in the physical and being in a body. So there
has to be some understanding developed in each incarnation of your own physicalness
and your interaction with the world around you, because that's part of what you
are choosing to experience when you're on the physical plane. So it is simply
part of the physical experience. Once
you are no longer in a body and on the astral plane then there are not those
monads to move through.
Rebecca: I’ve heard about abdicating the fourth internal
monad – meaning you don’t do the work and you just sort of keep on going. You stay alive, but you don’t finish the fourth. If that is true in an individual, they get to
a point where we might expect them to be entering the fifth. Would they then proceed to enter the
fifth? Or once they’ve abdicated the
fourth, would they then just not move forward into that? How would that work?
The
subsequent internal monads would always be addressed in some fashion. However it could be chosen that because the
fourth is completely abdicated there is the choice been made that “I'm not
going to do this this time, forget it.” That
is going to, of course, effect further work later on, and it is going to affect
how they approach the fifth internal monad and the sixth, but elements of those
will always be addressed. It just perhaps will lack a sense of completion
and be even difficult to navigate without going back to look at things from
earlier on. And this is why we say, in
the context of the fourth internal monad, you’re thinking perhaps about things
from the third internal monad, or even the second internal monad and those
things come up because they're unfinished. But if you completely say I am not going to do this internal monad in
this lifetime, then it does make it more difficult later on. But again, certain
elements of those subsequent internal monads will at least be looked at and be
navigated to the best of that person's ability. However, it is extremely
difficult to successfully navigate say the fifth internal monad if the fourth
has been completely abdicated.
That is
certainly a valid choice, and when a fragment comes to a place of just under
pain, in terms of what's going on in their life, and wish to make certain abdications,
it becomes very difficult and painful to try to look further on and to do the,
you know, to look at the lessons that are coming up. So, these are the people that do tend to
manifest disease, or to look at suicide, or to look at ways of exiting without
going through more of life. And then they'll just pick that up in another
incarnation.
Yes,
absolutely.
Dave: I was just thinking about the correlation
between
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