Question:  This is about Eckhart Tolle’s enlightenment experience, of falling into a void, having a state of no thought and being transformed to experiencing life so different.  So I’m asking what happened?  What agreements took place?  That seems like a very different experience from others.

From our perspective, it appears that a number of things are going on for this man in this lifetime.  The experience that he describes as  “falling into the void” was for him an ecstatic experience of pure emotion. Now, this is someone who is not overtly conscious of his emotions except through the processes  of his intellect.  What he was able to do was to bypass the intellect for a time and experience nothing but pure emotion.

Now, is this so different from what you have done and what others do on a routine basis?   In mechanics, no.  But what this caused for him was that it allowed him to begin to see himself and everything around him in a completely different way.  It was as if he really changed all the cells in his body in an instant.   

Is this possible?  Of course!   Why would he do this?  What are the agreements going on here?  What is his purpose in this lifetime?  You understand, of course, that is a man with a great many agreements with a great number of people in order to provide them with the same “flash”.    

How they take that in to themselves will vary by the individual, and if it imbues him with an air of “specialness” so that other people take him more seriously, then that is all the better.  It is not theatrics or anything; what he experienced was very real and true.  The effect that it had on him physically, mentally, emotionally and psychically was of course very real and hugely transforming.  And again he has agreements with a great number of people to bring to them transformations that they are choosing in their lives and their transformations will not resemble his, but will be personal to their own experience in their own expectations. 

Now would we say that in his experience was in line with what people term as “enlightenment”.   Well, as you are aware that is a very subjective term and is imbued with many expectations of a “godliness” and we would say that divinity is not the same as enlightenment.  If we were to provide an explanation for our understanding of enlightenment we would simply say that enlightenment is state of enhanced awareness.   Which means it's accessible to anyone, at least some point in their lives.

Overleaves 

 These are Eckhart's overleaves in terms of the Michael Teachings overleaf system as channeled by Karen. 

Soul Age/Level:  Old  3, manifesting same
Role:  Scholar
Casting:  Priest
ET:  Server, incarnate female
TC:  Artisan, discarnate
Cadence/Greater Cadence:  Scholar/Server
Goal:  Submission
Mode:  Observation
Attitude:  Pragmatist
Centering:  Intellectual, Emotional part
CF:  Arrogance, Greed
Body Type(s):  Lunar/Solar/Neptunian  45/35/20
Frequency:  42
Male / Female Ratio:  22/78
Grand Cycles: 15
Number of Lifetimes:  147
Cadre/Entity:  4/6

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What is Karma? 

A Channeled Explanation

Karma is, like everything else, simply energy.  It's an imbalance of energy that occurs when, as we have said before, choice is removed from an interaction or a situation.   Because the foundation of reality within the physical plane structure is based on choice, when choice is removed, then there creates a vacuum that must be filled.  There is an imbalance there.  And so there will be an attempt to seek balance that will then again restore the 'imperfection' in the structure that is the fabric of interaction that occurs between people.  So karma can exist between almost two or more of anything: two people, a person and animals, a person and themselves, a person and their entire lifetime, a person in a situation,  two situations, etc..   There is no limit or precise definition to this structure of karma; it is simply an imbalance that seeks to create balance again.  When a karma has been created (and there are of course varying degrees of karma; we have discussed this before)  there is a pull towards again creating a balance.  This pull is felt without regard to various lifetimes, situations, distance, etc.   So all of you have felt - at one time or another, whether within the context of the present lifetime or not -  a pull toward presenting yourself in a situation so that balance can once again be attained. 

Now, when we say "balance" we do not necessarily mean symmetry.  In other words, an act that is done to someone that removes choice from them in the context of that lifetime does not necessitate the exact act being done again to the perpetrator in another lifetime.  That would be symmetry.  Again, we reiterate: what is sought is balance, and balance can be attained in any number of ways.  Essences are quite creative in terms of how they seek to solve problems, and how they seek to create situations that allow them to grow and to utilize varying perspectives.  Let us give you an example.

Say that perhaps a person has been killed by a swordsman.  There was a sense of betrayal, distrust, and isolation, all surrounding that instant that led to the death of the person in question.  Now let us fast-forward, if you will, to another lifetime in which these two people are yet again engaged in the context of a relationship.  There is a feeling of imbalance.  Is it necessarily an unalterable path that each must take steps to regain that balance, now that they are embroiled in another lifetime together?   No, not necessarily, because there are is still always choice.  You may always choose whether to seek to regain that balance within a lifetime or to do that another time.   You do this while knowing, however, that there are consequences for the choice to avoid the resumption of balance within a lifetime.  There will always be the sense that there is something amiss, and discomfort as a result. 

So let us be further specific, and we will say that we are talking about, in the present lifetime, a mother and son.   Certain other elements exist, of course, between these, but if there is always the sense of an imbalance, that there is something yet to happen, then that will create further situations and further interesting interactions that can lead to further resolutions later on.  This is often chosen.  In other words, when two people who have karma with one another under various circumstances, meet again in a subsequent lifetime, often the choice is to not seek re-balance in that lifetime, simply because to not do so leads to further growth and understanding and further interactions that lead to further opportunities for resolution at some later time.

So again, we reiterate, there is very seldom exact symmetry, when fragments seek to regain a balance that was once thrown offkilter in another lifetime.  It is very seldom that symmetry will be utilized as a method of retaining balance.  We have much more to say on this topic.  There is of course a loose structure, and we have explained it simply as choice being removed from a situation so there is an energetic imbalance, and there will forever be a tie to that, a thread that follows you through lifetimes in order to create a compulsion, in order to interact again and then seek to regain that balance once again.

Question:  Why is it in the channeling that has been given before that a soul must resolve all karmas before "graduating" from the physical plane and moving onto another plane of existence?  If all is choice, couldn't someone choose not to do so?

 The fragment will seek to create the balance that it came with into the physical plane incarnation set with.  In other words, you are cast out, so to speak, with balance attributed to you, and through the physical plane journey you create these imbalances and then seek to re-balance them.   The completion of the physical plane growth cycle (the completion of the cycle of changing perspectives and whatnot) that occurs on the physical plane is not present until that sense of balance is restored.  So there will be choice at some point to re-balance all those different karmic ties, but it is possible for a fragment to move entirely through the earth plane cycle without completely balancing all the karmas that exist for them.  It is unusual to choose that, but it certainly can and does happen, in which case they may choose to seek balance in other ways.

On the Visualization

(note:  There was a guided visualization done at the same time, which is in the products section!)

The title of this meditation was "releasing karmic ties that no longer serve you".  So that is the caveat.  In other words, going further into the discussion about the nature of karma, once balance has been achieved in a situation, fragments often choose to maintain those threads because that then maintains an impetus to have further interaction with that person, and further tension that can exist between them.  The balance is already there, but still there is this sense of discomfort that is maintained because this thread still exists.   Many of you hold karmas (or  "karmic threads" anyway) to situations that have already been resolved and these are things that you can simply allow to let go.

  Now, you can also choose if you have karmas that have not been balanced yet, to let them go for this lifetime.  If they are not serving you within the context of this lifetime - in other words, they are not being utilized to assist you with various issues which are examining, or utilized to assist you with the perspective that you are building for this lifetime -  then you can choose to let them go for this lifetime and you will simply pick it up again later on.  Including later on in this lifetime.  Again, there are no rules.  There are many, many ways to re-balance situations and there is always choice in the matter, so if you are thinking "all karma must be paid!", that removes choice from you, doesn't it?

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 Centers and Balancing Them

(This article is by Matthew Spears, validated by Karen's channeling.  It contains some key extensions to what has been said before.)

Centers are a concept that is intuitively known to everyone.  We know almost immediately when interacting with someone: Is this person a "head" person?  Or are they a "heart" person or a "body-centric" person.  This is the intuitive knowledge of centers everyone has.

Expanding this, centers essentially little energetic “computers” in which the experiences we live are filtered, processed, and delivered to our consciousness.  There are 7 centers in all, although there are mainly three most people consciously interact with on a regular basis.   These three are essentially summed up as "heart, mind, and body".  In the Michael system, these correspond to the emotional, intellectual, and moving centers.  The Gurdjieff system  - and many other systems, such as NLP - also have analogous concepts.

This article will mostly deal with these 3 most commonly used centers and partly with the Instinctive center.  The instinctive center, loosely speaking, is the center that supports all the other centers by keeping the body alive and keeping records of experiences.  The remaining 3 centers –  Higher Intellectual, Higher Emotional, and Higher Moving centers – are explained elsewhere.  However, balancing the 3 “lower” centers is an effective tool to enable you to access the higher centers.   

One interpretation of why they are called “centers” is that we tend to “center” our consciousness in one of them.  Thus an “intellectually centered person” will interpret all experiences through this perceptual lens.  Emotions could be categorized, labeled, psychoanalyzed, and even considered “not valid” unless the reasons for them are understood.  A moving-centered person would listen to what the body says, store information in the body, and listen to the intuitive wisdom of the body more than others.

The concept of centering applies both to the individual as well as to a family, a group, a community, a nation, or a world.  The western world is very much intellectually centered, though there are pockets which have other centering.  In general, the order of preference of the 3 main centers are:

1. Intellectual center:  Almost all high paying corporate jobs are primarily based here.
2. Moving center:  Some athletes are rewarded, and this center is needed to “get things done”.
3. Emotional center:  Emotions are recognized, but are often seen as something to “deal with” rather than use with intelligence, as a form of perception or to enrich one's life.

Imbalance in Centers

As mentioned, most people have a “favorite center”.  This is usually where they spend the greatest amount of time – perhaps all of their time - operating from.  There is nothing wrong with this, as no center is in any way “better” than any other.  Each center has its own unique strengths.  At the same time, when one center is relied on to solve everything – including areas which are not its specialty – imbalances occur.   This might be equivalent to using a screwdriver when a wrench is the easiest tool.   A common scenario might be an intellectually centered person in a relationship fight who insists on being “rational” while denying all emotions, intuitions, and warmth at that moment.

These imbalances affect health in the body as well.  When there is imbalance or blockage, the flow of energy meridians in the body will be affected.  There may be a concentration of energy in one area, leading to problems in that area or surrounding ones.  Much of Traditional Chinese Medicine and acupuncture comes from thousands of years of observing the flow of chi, or energy, in the body, and noting where the most natural flow is in the body.  When energy gets re-routed in areas the body was not designed to handle it, over time illness can occur.  This is analogous to what an imbalance of centers is.

Beyond health issues, being imbalanced – and this is the most important aspect - will restrict the perception of what choices are available.  If you are imbalanced towards one center, you will only see possibilities based in that center, even if they are inappropriate ones.  The imbalance creates a buildup of energy that can fixate into patterns of behavior that may not always be appropriate.  Thus in the example of the person insisting on being “rational” above, there is usually no awareness that there is another way to be.  The consciousness is seated entirely in one center and has no easy routes to other centers, and so only sees the options from that place.

When it comes to centers, the whole is more than the sum of its parts.  This means that if you have all of intellectual intelligence, emotional intelligence, and body/world intelligence, you will be a much more powerful force to the world than three people manifesting each of these.  Adding the awareness of the other 4 centers is more powerful still.  Balancing the centers enables a much more regular and clear access to the higher centers, which are the source of epiphanies and ecstatic religious experiences.

Connections between Centers

Parts of Centers

Nothing is an island in itself, and this includes centers as well.  There are thoughts that have much emotional energy, and emotions that are close to being a thought.  In this framework, this is because each center can be thought of as being itself a spectrum of all the centers, or a spectrum of 7 parts.  (Again, we will focus only on the 3 "lower" centers here)  Thus within the moving center, there exists a spectrum that covers the energy of all the centers in your body, but with a moving-centered foundation laid under it.  So the emotional part of the moving center would deal with body-centered states and motions that have a definite emotional expression or focus.

The Michael Channel Shepherd Hoodwin has written the following about centers, introducing the part of a center:

Every center has seven parts of centers, which is a sort of doorway into the other centers. The parts of centers have the same names as the centers themselves. So there is an intellectual center, and an intellectual part of every center. Also, your part of center is like your secondary centering.

The part of a center is both within the original center as well as part of a connection with the matching center.  Thus, as shown in the diagram, the Intellectual part of the Moving Center naturally connects with the Moving Part of the Intellectual Center.

If you could imagine each of the centers in the body, the various parts, and the interconnecting energies, you would get a picture of immeasurable beauty, a complete system that is in effect a miniature reproduction of the energies of the 7 planes of existence.  When someone has all the centers connected to each other, there tends to be a great feeling of peaceful completeness.  All is well.

Each part of each center has their function.  Here is a table of some manifestations of the parts of the 3 more common centers a person might have.  It is by no means a comprehensive list.

  When centers are discovered in someone or are channeled about them, what is usually given is the main center and the part of that center that is usually inhabited.  In the example above, one's consciousness can be fixated in the moving part of the emotional center.  This is still the intellectual center, but is an aspect of thought that is focused on getting things done: thoughts about action. 

The part becomes the trap

Returning to the connections between the centers, as mentioned earlier, most people have only a smaller number of connections active.  When someone’s awareness is based in the Intellectual part of the Moving Center, this does not necessarily mean their connection to the Intellectual Center is well established.  Often this connection is blocked to some degree, which means that there is some blocked energy, and the “part” becomes the “trap”.  It is a “trap” because the majority of a person's focus is spend locked in that part of the center, with significant inflexibility in accessing the wisdom of other centers.

For an example, say you were trapped in the Moving part of Intellectual center.   In this trap, the energy that comes from a thought about putting something in the world would not move into action, nor come out as emotions that might inspire you further.  You might think over and over thoughts about a plan of action, potential problems, analysis of other people involved and so on, but not do anything towards the plan.   The impulse stays in the intellectual center, without using the balancing and completing energy of the moving and emotional centers.  The trap tends to be a downward spiral, no matter what center it is based in.  In this case, there might be a recognition of procrastination going on, in which case even more thoughts about doing something about it would form.  Rather than solve the blockage in flow between the centers, this places even more energy in the already over-utilized centers.  Those in a trap will have thoughts that things aren’t working because they’re not trying hard enough.  There is thus more energy spend in doing the same thing with the same method, thinking things will be different.

Techniques for Balancing

Focusing on the trap

To continue the example above,  the solution to this downward spiral is to bypass this trap by moving into other centers.  What is normally recommended is moving over to the actual center instead of the part.  In the above center, this would mean moving centered activity:  going for a walk, exercise, dancing, cleaning, or certain forms of energy work.  However, utilizing any other center can often help break this pattern, including higher centers.

  The usual downside with using the method of focusing on the trap is not really the method itself, but how it is approached : reading material and thinking about “how to approach” something means that invariably you will be using the intellectual center somewhat.  Having a living teacher can mitigate this, but most people read this method from books or online.  This is why doing nothing but reading self-help books rarely provides a full balance; there will always be a thought-based focus.

Building up Inter-center communications

• Were you completely immersed in the experience?
• Was there an extra resource of energy that came?
• Was there a sense of fun and playful exploration?
• Did you involve other centers?  (e.g., if you are exploring the emotional center and its parts, were you analysing it while doing something?)

Exercise 1:  Instinctive-Moving Center connection

Exercise 2:   Emotional-Moving Center connections (group)

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 Today we’re going to be talking about the 5^th internal monad.   Michael said last night they are already here with us, so if you just want to take a moment and honor that presence, it doesn't take me long to bring Michael in. So let’s get started. 

We are here with you today to talk to you about the nature of a transition that you will likely all encounter in this lifetime, if you have not already.  We have talked to you before, briefly, about some of the nature of the fifth internal monad and it is our pleasure today to tell you about some aspects of this transition that we have not had the opportunity yet tell you. 

We have said before that what occurs within you in reality is very different from what has become accepted as occurring in that type of transition in your lives in today's Western culture.  In other words, at present most of you think about older age as something that has a sense of burden attached to it.  Your physical bodies deteriorate.  Your thoughts go in different directions than they had before.  You are unable to stay on task as much as you might have liked to earlier in life, and these are viewed as detriments, rather than celebrated or embrace as a natural transition that you undergo in terms of your perception about yourself and about how you fit in with others.  So we can define for you, if you like, the structure of what takes place within this transition, because we understand that many of you are interested in this information.  And then we'll talk about other ways to perceive this transition as it arises for you so that you can start to release some of the judgments you already hold about getting older and moving away from the intensity of earlier aspects of your lives. 

So, we defined for you structure of elements such as the internal monads in terms of levels and we are satisfied with this way of defining things however, it is not the entirety of a definition.  So we will give for you seven levels of this structure, but understand that there is fluidity among them, and there is not necessarily a natural and linear progression through them.  But many of you are already experiencing elements of this transition, and it is our intention to, eventually, through giving you this information, to allow you to release some of those societal and cultural judgments that are held about the nature of this transition.

So, here is the structure.  If we were to give this to you again in seven levels, we would call level 1 definition.  Definition is to allow you to move into a space where you know something is different than has been happening for you before.  In other words typically when someone begins to move into the fifth internal monad there is a very definite sense of awareness that something different is happening.  And it is up to you, of course, to choose whether to resist this process, or to allow it to embrace you.  So we will call of a one definition

Level two, we would term as isolation. Isolation from others, perhaps. Isolation from the self that you have been.  Now has been a lot of channeling, a lot of discussion about the fourth internal monad, from which you arise, if you manage to wend your way through it, as more fully manifested as you.  And you will approach the fifth internal monad whether or not you have “quote” finished everything in the fourth internal monad or even earlier internal monads. So there is no definite sense that you must do everything in order to go to the next step if you will.  So all of you will approach, in your fashion, the fifth internal monad.  So that a second level of isolation is not so much a sense of emptiness or loneliness, but more a sense of isolating the path that you are now embarking on.  Isolating, which is a means of allowing yourself to focus on this transition. 

The third level we would define as leadership.  Leadership being a sense of gaining ground, moving ahead, taking charge of what is going on.

Now, we would like to digress for a moment and talk to you about some of the physical changes that take place within you throughout these levels.  You are aware of course that the process of being in a body for a certain period of time will have a physical effect upon you.   You all have grown to expect this.  Many of you resist it, some embrace it.  Again, there are cultural connotations to the thought of getting older and aging.  What is happening, then, during the fifth internal monad overall, is a changing of focus of your energy.  So, in other words, you are moving your focus to a more disbursed place.  Rather than being so much focused on your life and who you are, and your intimate relationships, you are now able to relax that a bit, and to disperse it somewhat.  And because there is a lessening of attention to your physical self, energetically, then you are not holding the reality of yourself quite as firmly as you were before.   And therefore, there are effects that appear to you within your cultural connotations as aging.  Again, you are putting less energy into yourself. Another thing that occurs within the overall context of the fifth internal monad - we talked about dispersing the energy so you're putting less attention and focus to yourself in some ways.  Well, where does this energy go?  You’ve typically, at this point, already become the immersed in the intricacies of your life task, and that is part of that inward focus.  So now, with the fifth internal monad, there is a relaxing of any expectation of accomplishment.  And in this process, you become less engaged, in some ways, with the world around you.  Less engaged in a focused manner, but more engaged because you are now more open to possibilities.  We will come back to this a bit later

So, going back through these levels, we have talked about the first three.

The fourth level, we would term as confidence.  At this point there is again a focus on what is occurring within you.  But you have assimilated energy from without through the previous levels, if you will, and you are now able to have a more outward focus.  Again, not intensively, but allowing the space for this to happen.  So, people in the fourth level of the fifth internal monad will be very relaxed seeming, and beginning to feel comfortable with the changes that are taking place within them physically, and creating a larger space around them, which then allows for increased interaction on an energetic level with others.

The fifth level we would term as deliberateness. For it is at this level that there is a consciousness of what is happening not only with the body, but a beginning of a sense of acceptance of the process, because you have seen the changes from around you in terms of your interaction with others, and there is now a sense of support for this process.

Sixth level we would term as assimilation. Assimilation being - beginning to understand, at a conscious level, what has been happening throughout this process and to be able to put words to what is going on within you.  So now you have reached a state of accepting it, feeling acceptance from around you, and now there are almost words to the process

The seventh level we would term as deliverance, where after assimilating everything, you are now able to expand it outward, everywhere around you.  There is a sense of acceptance for who you are, acceptance for the changes that have taken place within you, understanding on a cognitive level, and how you’re able to bring this outward.

We talked a little bit about some of the physical changes that take place within you.  A lot of the changes that take place on this energetic level, because of this outward inward, outward progression are taking place because of the interactions of the people around you and because there is this cultural idea that youth is everything that without youth, there is uselessness, there is a lot to let go of in terms of how you see yourself fitting within the confines of society. The fifth internal monad can be quite difficult when there is a great deal of attachment to how you are seen, how others see you, and to fitting in with the rest of society.  When one successfully navigates the fifth internal monad, they are really able to really let go of those needs to fit in any longer.  You know the people that we are talking about when we say that there are a lot of people who move through the fifth internal monad – they’re very comfortable in their skins, within themselves and with who they are in terms of how they fit in with the rest of the world.  These are people to aspire to be similar to in terms of how they have energetically navigated their perception of themselves as well as their perception of how others perceive them.  Because, there’s a sense of confidence there that is very beautiful.  And this is what the fifth internal monad can bring you.  

So, again we say, it can be very difficult when one is quite attached to your image of yourself, and how others see you, and how you fit in with others in society.  Not only are we talking about physical changes while you get older so you're no longer as youthful or quite as beautiful.  And how do you feel about this?  And do you have difficulty, feeling like you are less worthy because you no longer fit into that cultural mold?  So it can be difficult to let go of this.  It can also be difficult to let go of the sense of getting older in terms of productivity.  The society in which you live values productivity highly.  If you don't have a job, if you don't have an occupation, you have nothing.  You’re defined by your occupation, oftentimes. And if you are getting older you’re perhaps less interested in that occupation because your energy is changing, your focus is changing as we have described.  But then, you have no identity to hold around you, and there's a sense of emptiness.  So again, this can be a difficult thing to navigate through.  If you no longer are being held up by the perception of others in terms of having a particular occupation, then you are faced with looking at nothing but what is inside you.  Now, if you have not really successfully navigated the fourth internal monad to find out what is inside you, then there can be definite difficulties with the fifth internal monad when you are faced with being less of who you are in terms of how others perceive you. 

So we have talked a little bit, at least, about some of the physical changes that take place within you.  We have talked a little bit about the energetic changes that take place within you.  And we have talked a little bit about some of the perceptual changes that take place around you, but there is much more to say on the subject.  We are wondering if there are any questions at this point?

Questions 

Marion: I’ve got one.  Is there, for people a gap?  Say you finish the fourth IM, more or less, and then automatically you jump right into fifth, and then finish fifth, and automatically jump right into sixth.  It sounds like you could finish with fifth and get to this place of marvelous assimilation and just cruise for a while, and then sixth comes some time when you’re ready to leave, more or less.  If that makes any sense.  Or, are there gaps between Internal Monads?  Does fifth expand exponentially until you’re ready for sixth?

We will speak, more or less, in terms of generalities - statistical type generalities.  In general, the majority of people tend to finish up whatever they're going to do in that lifetime - fourth internal monad - by about the time they are 45-50.  Most people relax a little in between internal monads, but again, this is statistical and there are a myriad of possibilities in terms of how to actually manifest and work on these monads.  Most people will tend to wait until they are in their 50s to work on the fifth internal monad, but many wait until much later in terms of perhaps their 60s, because it is so tied to occupation, at this time anyway. In terms of productivity and how you are perceived by others, there are so many connections with what you do, so if typical retirement age is not now occurring until age 65 or so, many people are now waiting to enter their fifth internal monad until the year surrounding that event.  So perhaps age 60 or so they might start moving into it and thinking about it and then waiting until the sixth internal monad until, yes, you’re correct,  actually beginning the intense deterioration process the body undertakes to finally, physically die.   Yes, there does tend to, in general, be a space of years in between the fourth, fifth, and sixth internal monads, but it is not always the case.  And there are many ways to play this, if you will.  We have even seen people not starting their are fifth internal monad until age 65 or so, at which point that starts this exponential snowballing effect, where they just move right into the sixth and an exit soon thereafter.  And that tends to come when there is a great deal of difficulty in letting go of some of the cultural expectations of surrounding their identity in their occupation.  You've seen this probably - people retire and they deteriorate quite a bit, not long after, because there's nothing holding them up and longer and this becomes a painful process.  Again we say that statistically, people will begin thinking about their fifth internal monad in their 50s, sixth internal monad, not until after they're really ready to physically deteriorate.  But some people spend 20 - 30 years in that deterioration, so there is no absolute rule regarding it.  But most people will tend to, as we said, work on fifth internal monad in her 50s and 60s and moving on forward into the sixth internal monad, not until they're ready to physically deteriorate.  Any more questions? 

Ed:  I’d be interested if you could do a really quick summary of the stages of the sixth internal monad, because I’m curious whether my mother is in it or what? It could be a very long slow gradual process, but can you do that? 
 

We’ll give you a general view of what takes place within the sixth internal monad, without going through the stages. Essentially, in an overall fashion, what happens in the sixth internal monad is a complete relaxation into self.  Now, why does this manifest as physical deterioration?  Well, self is not the body, but is very connected to the physical plane, the body.  So, this complete relaxation into self is getting ready to accept the self as the self that is separate from the body.  You are all engaged in astral travel during your sleep time. You all were in an astral state prior to incarnating.  The sixth internal monad, then, gets one ready physically to no longer require the body for operation.  It's ironic that it takes you perhaps that long to really be comfortable with your body.  After finishing the fifth internal monad you finally accept this body that you have, and then you move into the sixth internal monad where it's time to give it up again.  So it can manifest as a physical deterioration to prepare one for moving away from the body. And again, there are millions of possibilities as to how that can actually manifest, but we do see most people manifesting a deterioration that is noticeable to others.  Understand though, that part of the acceptance of the body that comes from the fifth internal monad could be manifesting elements of deterioration that give you something more to work on in terms of accepting about yourself.  The sixth internal monad, then, is removed from that, its further than that, and tends to move you into a place, again, where you become more ready to separate from your body and separate from the attachment of “this body is me, is who I am”, and a deeper sense of realization that you are this inner soul, this essence within you.  That is who you are and the body is just a piece of clothing that you wear for particular lifetime.  Have we been specific enough to answer your question?

Ed:  Yeah, pretty good.  When a person starts the sixth, do they noticeably start sleeping more and spend more astral time than before, as a general principle

We would say that that is an element of that typically will take place within the sixth internal and I guess not necessarily at the beginning, but because you are less attached to the body, you’re spending more time astrally.  And again, this process can take several years, or it can happen very quickly, depending on how attached you are already to your body and of a lot of other factors. But, yes, someone in the sixth internal monad will spend more time not actually physically being in the body.  And that can manifest as more sleep, more out of body travel, some very interesting experiences.  There may not always be conscious awareness of these experiences but certainly others who are perceptive enough to notice it who are around them can see these changes. 
 

Don:  I don’t think I’ve ever gone through, what these folks would call a mid-life crisis, or maybe I’m just not conforming to the pattern.  But, at my University, for the last year or so, I have been writing a number of gratuitous documents of free advice on various topics.  The University needed it, it’s going through a crisis. And this (I’m doing ) at past age 70. So far it’s been pretty well received by most people, though I don’ t know if anything will come of it.  So – is this good work, or am I just getting away with it?  You get enough seniority, and they say, “OK”.  Is this something I should do? 

We see that you are feeling compelled at this time to focus your energy in a certain direction in a certain way.  This we would say is part of what is taking place for you in overall terms of the fifth internal monad where you are focusing energy inward yet with an outward eventuality.  So we would say yes that is part of you - you are receiving essence directed information if you will, to cause this, compulsion is too strong a word, but to cause this urge to move in this direction.  So yes, we would say that overall this is part of your process for the fifth internal monad. 

Don:  So I’m still in fifth?  I’ve go two more.  (Karen nods)

?:  I just want to ask about the sixth monad.  Are things like dementia, and that sort of thing that happen in the elderly, is that a part of the monad itself, the disconnecting of people?

What is viewed culturally and societally as dementia is something that can arise in either the fifth internal monad or the sixth.  We would say it is more typical within the sixth internal monad, because that is again part of this separation from body, and what is really occurring during what is seen as dementia is simply that the person on an essence level is really moving away from having a strong connection with the body, and is exploring other projects and other ways of being.  There can be fears attached to this which then have other repercussions.  The person can move in and out of those states which can be very perplexing to others and rather confusing for the individual themselves, who finds cognitive moments and then moments of this other reality and having trouble relating the one to the other.  It also can occur within the context of the fifth internal monad, and that tends to be more of a life choice to experience other realities, to experience reality as themselves as an earlier person in that lifetime, say.   Or experience more astral level interaction.  There are various choices that can take place that would all appear similar to the outside observer that would perhaps start with in the fifth internal monad and that’s part of that energy processing inward outward inward outward progression.  But we would say, probably about 40% of people within the confines of the sixth internal monad make choices where they are spending quite a lot of time astrally as we expressed earlier, but not only from sleep-time but also during wake time where it would appear as dementia and they would be exploring not being connected with their bodies.  So a good, 40% of people in the sixth internal monad will make choices that will appear like that.  

Thea:  I was wondering if you could illuminate the resonant differences between each of the levels of the fifth internal monad with the energies correlated with them, like, the server level of the fifth internal monad, or the sixth being the priest level – if that’s relevant? And also, I wonder if there are positive and negative poles to each of these levels?

We would say in terms of correlating the energies to levels overall, it is a useful correlation in terms of understanding and relating various energies among the entire structure that we present to you.  We would say that you could apply a similar correlation in this case to those levels of the fifth internal monad in terms of the positive and negative poles.  You understand that often when we give you single words, they are somewhat incomplete, and a little more arbitrary than we would like.  Yet single words are useful.  They give you something to hang onto and to interpret and it encourages your own interpretation process.  But it is an imperfect way to transmit information to you.  This is partly why we also transmit information to you energetically, and you are all receiving energetic information from us at all times, either through reading words that have been transcribed and are now written, or hearing words, or being present with our energy, etc.  You are all receiving this and this aids within your own interpretation of these single, somewhat arbitrary words that we give you.  So understanding that, we can give you positive and negative poles, but understand that there's a lot more to each word than simply just “a” word.  So, to assist the channel in this process, we would like you all the focus on your facility with words so as to assist us in bringing through some specificity in terms of assigning words to the energy that surrounds the experience of positive and negative poles.